- The Aquatic Ape Theory
 - Pyramids as Cosmic Ray Shelters


 - The Bast Theory

the book

Why 2012?
 - Introduction
 - Mayan Calendar
 - Fractal Time / I Ching
 - Galactic Alignment

Cataclysm? How?
 - Maybe Eta Carinae?

 - Introduction / Ouroboros
Africa / Scandic / Babylon
The Americas
Ancient Greece & China
DNA & the I Ching
Were Dragons Real?

Nazca Lines
 - General Info
 - Who created them?
 - What do they mean?
 - Belt of Orion?
 - Other geoglyphs

Pole Shifts
 - Opposing Views
 - Velikovsky
 - How could they Shift?
 - Hapgood and Bowles
 - Evidence Part I
 - Evidence Part II

Global Pyramids
 - Middle East / Africa
 - The Americas
 - Europe
 - Asia and Pacific

Patrick Geryl
 - 2012 Polar Reversal
 - North Becomes South

As well as...
 - Cosmic Rays
 - 2012: Year of the Dragon

Einstein supported both Hapgood and Velikovsky


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4. Galactic Alignment

The Mayan calendar and the fractal patterns of the McKenna brothers are only human constructs, descriptions of our journey through time. But out in our galaxy there is a giant wheel revolving - we are actually on a slow wobble and the stars are just appearing to revolve. This "precession of the equinoxes" takes 25,800 years to complete one cycle, and within this cycle we can observe conjunctions in the heavens between the stars and our solar system.

Ancient cultures recognised four major dates within each year: the two solstices (when days are at their longest or shortest) and the two equinoxes (when the lengths of day and night are equal). They could tell when these dates were approaching by watching which stars were on the horizon at sunrise and sunset, and where they were relative to the sun. If you watched for long enough, for hundreds of years, then it became apparent that the stars were moving slightly out of position each year. The star that was due east at the winter solstice sunset 70 years ago is one degree out today. The Greek astronomer Hipparchus (c. 190-120 BC) is widely acknowledged as the discoverer of the precession of the equinoxes, yet the ancient Egyptians and Maya were also aware of it.

 This is just a small portion of my online book, Survive 2012 - a look into possible ways our world might end, and how to survive. Available in bookstores sometime before 2012, fingers-crossed...

Independent researcher (that is, not an accredited scientist) John Major Jenkins has written a long and involved book titled Maya Cosmogenesis 2012 which shows that the Maya not only understood precession, but that their 2012 end-date predicted a special happening in our universe.

Our galaxy has a centre which all the stars take millions of years to revolve around, and it is located in the starriest part of the Milky Way, as seen from Earth. On four occasions within the 25,800-year cycle our galactic centre aligns with the sunrise of a solstice or equinox. The last time it occurred was on a fall equinox 6,450 years ago, approximately the dawn of Old World civilisations.  On Dec 21, 2012, which is a winter solstice (Northern Hemisphere) this centre will align with our sun once more. Jenkins presents a mass of astrological, monumental and mythological evidence to show the importance of this event for the Maya, and how their calendar runs out on this day for a reason. Unfortunately he is not sure what that reason is.His book mentions:

a door into the heart of space and time will open[1]

the cosmos will be reborn or recreated[2]

we will reach the Zero Point of the process - a moment of collective spiritual birth[3]

".our basic orientations will be inverted. On the level of human civilization, our basic assumptions and foundation values will be exposed, and we will have the opportunity to embrace values long since driven under the surface of our collective consciousness"[4]

"On a literal level of interpretation, one supported by many popular writers, the field-effect reversal that mystics and futurists intuitively feel occurring on this planet bodes an impending pole shift, a literal shift in the position of the Earth's North Celestial Pole, an event that would have disastrous effects around the globe. I suppose there is not much we can do about it... I prefer to emphasize what might be termed a pole shift in our collective psyche. This places the possibility of successful, positive transformation squarely in our own hands."[5]

So, what will happen? Maybe the McKenna's flood of change, a global cataclysm or the dawning of the Age of Aquarius? Could there be a new age love-fest in 2012?

Age of Aquarius

No one knows when it starts! The twelve zodiacal constellations are of different sizes, and the borders between them are very indistinct. We will be moving into the New Aquarian Age of western astrology sometime within the next 200 years. There is no singlular date on which it will happen, just a gradual change. In the same vein we find hidden in the fifth appendix of Maya Cosmogenesis 2012 an admission from Jenkins that.

"it would be more accurate to say that the alignment occurs in the era of AD. 2012; because precession is such a slow phenomenon, fifty years on either side might be appropriate." [Author's italics][6]

It appears we must look elsewhere for the why and how of what may happen. It is unlikely that the Mayan calendar end-date coincidentally occurs on a solstice, yet a solstice is only an annual position within our orbit around the sun - a solstice on its own cannot change or harm us. I suggest that 2012 is a year that the Maya always knew of, a year in which a cosmic activity will affect our planet. Their choice of Dec 21 to end the calendar on was chosen only because the winter solstice is the gloomiest day of the year, and the most appropriate day to form myths around.


Why 2012:

1. Introduction
2. Mayan Calendar
3. Fractal Time and the I Ching
4. Galactic Alignment

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Comments from Visitors

wow.. well its good to know that so many people are trying toprepare us for this time.. Is there anything else we can do spiritually to prepare for this date?
(01.04.2004, 08:23)

It would seem that we are all fools running around like little mice with no clue of our impending disaster. Why else would the Mayan calendar end? I guess only a select few with open minds (like us) can spiritually prepare for what may happen. Everyone else is living in ignorance, I just wish that we were all taught the truth in school instead of what the powers that be wanted us to belive about the history of mankind. Mention Atlantis to just about anyone and they will laugh at you !
(22.04.2004, 11:22)

for the enlightened, or the aware, we have a special job. and that is to make other people aware. The people who are awake know if they are away. The sleepy ones don't want to know, refuse the evidence, and/or consider themselves aware. We live in exciting times, which will get only more exciting. Posting a date of global changes should be but a tool used to give meaning to our experiences here as we stop and look at the big picture.
(25.04.2004, 15:28)

Nanobots will be our downfall, considering the rate of increase in computer tehcnology and the need to replace silicon with carbon, precipitating the development of such technologies.... peaking in 2012. These nanobots will assimilate at an alarming rate, meaning the end of us all as we know it.. at the same time the end of the mayan calendar will result in the final step of evolution... an ascendance from the physical to the metaphysical... saving us from our self imposed technological cataclysm.
(26.04.2004, 10:33)

Without totally disregarding certain eschatological implications, couldn't it be possible that 2012 is simply the end of a calender? We(mankind) have an innate inability to foretell our own future and a track record to prove it. I'm only suggesting consideration of an equally plausible possibility.
(30.04.2004, 14:47)

Xoe Stone:
On 4/28/04, the following was announced: "We constructed a prototype of a medical molecular computer -- several trillion such computers can fit in a drop of water -- that is able to diagnose disease conditions and release a drug upon positive diagnosis," said Ehud Shapiro, a professor at Israel's Weizmann Institute, who led the team. - - It would seem to me nanotechnology might well become one of the keys/advances that could allow our species to travel/live in a space-borne environment; nanotechnology could solve the problems posed by cosmic rays & their mutative properties. The implications of this are dizzying in terms of human evolution & could well result in humans with extremely long lifespans - something to consider futher, I think.
(18.05.2004, 09:52)

Amy Williams:
What do you think this date has to do with the "Crystal Skulls"? Do you have any theories about them?
(27.05.2004, 17:12)

George Bush must have his own 2012 theories, hence his statement when asked what history will say about him and his Presidency, he replied, "There won't be any history, we'll all be dead". - Does he know something we don't, or is he just an idiot? Both may be true! - - Here is my doomsday theory... 4 more years of George Bush, which takes him to 2008, then his evil brother Jeb takes over in 2008 for 4 years, which will no doubt finish us off by 2012. Sound plausible to you? I would prefer the other possible scenarios, galactic or whatever, being much less painful!
(29.05.2004, 19:00)

Pardon me, but I think the lot of you sound like a bunch of potheads. "we must make other people aware" "we have a special job" I mean, are people taking this far too seriously, or something? I'm really quite untouched by all this, but it seems a lot of people are taking this far too seriously.
(30.05.2004, 16:46)

I think President Bush does know something..and he knows many crap that people dont even know..but just doesnt want to tell us the world won't panic.....I am sure something will happen on 2012...i just hope it wont kill us all...cause i wanna live..u know?...oh well let's see what will happen...and president bush is full of shit.. ( i hope he reads this)
(01.06.2004, 14:25)

Steven Martin:
Dear Readers. I have discussed this date with many people over last 5-6 years. We are of the opinion, that either 1 of 2 things will happen. - - 1. Time stops, and all life as we know it, changes. To what? Who knows. - 2. An extra layer of time is added. Which is only possible from the gravity of a black hole or another star, or planet, or moon. - - The moon, is rotating in such a way that it always has a side, which faces from earth, if its spin was changed, this may effect gravity. If the ctr of our galaxy has a blackhole as some people believe, then maybe as we get closer to this date, its gravity draws us closer. regardless, the extra time theory allows for one other thing, the merging of the dualities of existance. Ancient Egyptians, and Muslims today believe in a complimentary world. The world of Jinn, which is ruled by none other "Satan". His appearance is scheduled roughly for the same time, we are approaching. - It will be hopefully better if we prepare for this change, but somethings u cant predict. People, live everyday like it was your last. Mend relationships, do the things which make u happy and spend time, with the ones u love. There is nothing worse than spending eternity with emotional luggage. gl.
(10.06.2004, 06:32)

wow, most of you are crazy! - so isn't the earth supposed to stop for a few days and put us into the fourth dimension. then spin in the opposite direction and put us in the 5th. becouse the moon is slowly moving away from the earth or somethin'?
(12.06.2004, 01:02)

and the mayans have time and space locks on this dimension, that will be lifted in 2012. and were supposed to be ready to take on our multi-dimensional selves, and meet and greet them, or go crazy or disintagrate, huh?
(12.06.2004, 01:14)

yeah, check out barbra marciniak, and search for dna recoding or reconnecting on yahoo!!!
(14.06.2004, 14:03)

Brain Jones: - - This is the best theory for the worlds end yet!
(13.07.2004, 15:16)

Omar Kyamm Ravenhurst:
Great change will come as a river of blood. Enjoy life while you can everybody. Get fat, get drunk, and screw your wives while you can. Chthulu isn't coming, and Jesus isn't coming- But the world is going to hell very soon. - "Happy are the dead, for they did not live to see this day."
(29.07.2004, 02:05)

i see two sides here. 1. something happens that we are not able to predict (to the best of my knowledge) or 2. nothing happens at all and dec 22 and 23 come as they always have in the past. some people keep asking why would the myan calander end? well our calander ends once a year doesn't it? yes we celebrate with a big ball falling at midnight to both bring in a new year and see the old year out, but it ends our calander for that year. i see dec 21st 2012 as just that. yes it's a solstice. yes it's the end of their long calander, but it's also the beginning of something else. maybe that's a cataclysmic end and maybe not. - regardless i still live for today with curiosity of tomorrow.
(11.08.2004, 05:01)

Arya Dharma:
Haila auk Selhu! I'm from Norway, and I've been studying ancient culture since I was twelve(always been interested in the occult and so on), -when I visited Chichen Itza,among other sites. I became obsessed with everything about ancient religion, technology and so on. Since then I've been travelling to sacred sites around the world. I read roughly 1 book per week about these subjects, I can't get enough. Too bad for my people up here north that all the good books are in english,people are lazy in the Kali Yuga, everything must come to them without effort, but I try to preach, hehe. I agree with "Dev" to some extent.. I recommend reading everything you can on: When you've finished the 3 books there, then you will see.. You create your own reality. Know thyself. Greetings from the north! Hail Odinn!
(11.08.2004, 18:25)

Willy Gaspar:
I agree with the polar shift in 2012, but it seems that by the end of this summer we may have a substantial SUN SPOT ERUPTION. If we expect to have a 7 year famine before 2012, it needs to happen soon. Anyway, if anyone of you can get me in touch with Geryl I would appreciate it. (I am a fellow author - Willy Gaspar "The Celestial Clock") Thanks, Willy
(25.08.2004, 16:36)

Willy, I don't think anyone ever said 7 year "famine" in sun spot eruption. Can you substantiate that claim?
(02.09.2004, 09:31)

Thank you for concluding your essay with the words, "the most appropriate day to form myths around," as this pretty much sums up attempts by modern authors to interpret the Mayan calendar to fit theories about galactic orientation which the pig entrail divining Maya could not possible have come up with. As I see very few, if any, comments challenging your work, you will undoubtedly also delete this one as "unsuitable."
(02.09.2004, 09:38)

"If we expect to have a 7 year famine before 2012, it needs to happen soon." - - It's already started: Peak Oil. Take a look at
(08.09.2004, 18:20)

Rob Bast:
Chris: In NZ we had "carless days" in the 1970s, because oil was running out. It didn't. There's still plenty of oil left, it's just that the price of it goes a bit high sometimes.
(09.09.2004, 16:44)

Reality: Peak oil will happen (might have already) but all that means is we hit a point of 1/2 used. Problem is that the first half was easy to get quickly but not so much the second half. Of course plenty of oil will remain, but does modern civilasation have the ability to produce it as fast as it is concumed? Duh... It will be a steady decline of peaks and vallies in price hikes and supply declines widing each and every cycle, with growing energy shortages, famin, war, climate wackyness and all that bad mojo, but it won't be quick :( . Sad thing is that in 2003 the "estabishment" everyone thinks is denying the truth to people,are the same people speaking of the ookieness to come. Go google search "oil peak" and see there is an industrial document ($32,000 per copy) saying that the 1/2 way point will probably fully realized no later then 2010-2015 with $100 per barral realities. (These are the industrial authorities speaking). Why 2010-2015 before we see the OHH NOO full force? Fancy handling of current reserves and the living on the buble of total recession combined with liv8ing real time inventories there may be a 5-7 year lag. With 100's of billions of people having lived through out history, some persons imagination is bound to get the *end date* right ( but this ain't the end, just really really hard times).
(11.09.2004, 11:49)

Rob Bast:
That's enough on the oil topic. There are dozens of ways makind can ruin their society and planet, but is won't be a global catacylsm that risks our extinction, and it is a constant problem, and not at all related to 2012.
(11.09.2004, 18:19)

I think the combined gravitational pull of the planets will cause a tide that will wipe out many coastal communities. See you on the slopes. - - [From Rob: If all the planets lined up, their gravitational influence would be less than a 747 flying overhead. Scientific fact, widely published just before 5/5/2000]
(22.09.2004, 15:04)

thomas wazlavek:
Do not be fooled by simply assuming the planets in our solar system are static. the universe is dynamic, always changing and adapting. We are, in fact, more of the second hand of the universe. Our galaxy (and the rest for that matter), is constantly revolving around a center. Viewing the universe as a cartesian plane, our system is going to lapse over from the +x,-y sector to the -x,-y sector, signaling a shift in the poles. Gravity and magnetism are relative and subjective, relying the power of surrounding masses and bodies. When we cross over in 2012, we shall come dangerously close to a much larger body leaving -x,-y and entering our old sector of +x,-y. This will cause the tidal waves of california, the tsunamis of asia, and the earthquakes which hawaii will never forget. The passing of this larger mass will ultimately bring happiness to its survivors, due to the advancements in technologies, we will not die like the cavemen. We must harness this chance to understand the cosmos and our larger bodied neighbor.
(10.11.2004, 12:41)

i think this is factually all correct. Maybe if george bush knew something he would try to help..or not because he's a moron. I do believe that civilization will be affected but not ended. We should have been all dead in 2000 due to the bug of Y2K but we DIDNT! there is proof of things like this occuring in the bible. and im a strong believer of prophocies and such but i am contidicted by obsurd theories that "god will save all Christians" and other moronic comments making stupid remarks to get all people to become Christians. It may all be a reality but it could all be bogus. Depends on how u want to spend your life; drowning in your fear of becoming extint, or living life as best you can until a day comes where u cant live anymore. I choose the second option. - - SECOND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(10.11.2004, 15:07)

I was just remembering a verse from the bible--Numbers 21:2,3 (I think) about a time when Moses was with his people in the wilderness. It's about a pole and a brass serpent (flaming?)set up by Moses to cure snakebite
(23.11.2004, 13:43)

Interesting subject, Q1. If the world did a polar shift would there not be pre-warnings of increased seismic activities on the approach to 2012. Q2. If, as someone suggested the world hierarchy is aware of it. But withholds the information to prevent mass panic would they not be building accommodation and a means of survival in the highest regions of the world, after all if a polar shift occurred the consequential tidal waves would wipe out all but the highest regions. - - What I tend to believe that a comet, like Haileys comet but on a much larger orbital disc may pass the earth altering the worlds gravitational axis, perhaps becoming visible from the Orion region hence the pyramids amongst other things pointing to this region of the galaxy, and if the world leaders are aware then surely the Hubble telescope is the "early warning device".
(02.12.2004, 12:08)

Crystal skulls? a computerized glass skull to encase the brain? Could this mayan prediction be an image-based phrophecy of the integration of man and machine? Of course we'll do it. We do everything. If we have the time right? How did the Mayans create prophecies anyway? Did they gaze into a black mirror like Nostradomas? The black mirror being a device to stimulate the minds eye. Or maybe they just stared up at the sky or pig entrails.
(16.12.2004, 01:30)

If that nanomachine thing is real than the possiblities for matter are endless. Maybe in the next decades we'll create the technologies needed to release the brain from the body with a computerized glass skull equipped with nanotechnology to repond to the chemical and physical needs. But if this happened what would we use this power for? The human ego now encased in an all powerful self-duplicating metal body? Whatever twists and turns may pan out technologically. cosomolgically. The human spirit must not only join in on the ride. but must lead the way. I believe something about human beings' desire for beautiful treasures is at the core of us. The transendance of the Asthetic. But what of transcending the asthetic? that is, releasing ourselves from the forces of sexual selection which have guided us to exhalt certain individuals. "the devil hath the power to assume a pleasing shape". In a world where technology realeases us from the previous constraints of matter the asthetic would lose its previous meaning yet remain no less important in our desire to see it. Thanks. I'd really enjoy seeing comments to any of this by somone else.
(16.12.2004, 01:31)

Rachel K:
I heard that there's a lesser known 13th zodiac sign (forget what it's called, starts with C). How does this affect the Age of Aquarius theory?
(26.12.2004, 16:46)

Glen Thomson:
Well, what do you know? techtonic plate shifts, tsunamis (boxing day) in asia, earth wabble, and magnetic changes in the earths(Gaya) atmosphere + mass bombardment from gammer rays from an unknow source in space! gee,what more proof do you need. We can all asume to presume and ingnore to deplore the evidence that is currently going on around us. We are in a world famon, 10% of the world devour 90% of its recources, there is world wide flooding, world wide drought etc, etc. So ok what will happen, we already know, just have a look within, A prophicy for you, those in Gondwana will head north to be safe. Oh yer the astrological sign is between Gemmini and Cancer (the sign of the spider). The beginning will be 2012.
(02.01.2005, 04:34)

safe places:wind cave-black hills-grand canyon-arizona,switzerland caves,kilimajaro mountains caves-africa, tibet caves, from ANNU TAL
(09.01.2005, 14:39)

any thoughts on venis?
(17.01.2005, 21:50)

Clinton Riley:
As an Arizonan resident, i have seen some of the global effects stemming from the indian tsunami. 2 days after the tsunami hit, arizona and california and parts of new mexico and nevada were expieriencing weather like none have seen in years. California residents slide off of mountaing, covered by mud. 13 of Arizonas 15 counties under extreme flood conditions. And no ending out january, this same system if finishing up its snow dump over the north central-north east( to be measured in feet). another example: oct 5 2004,dec 16,2004, jan 4 2005. These are some of recent volcanic eruptions. none have been extremely life threatening untill you link the sizemic activitys. What i am getting at is that i dont feel the quake in the indian ocean relieved even a fraction of the pressures built. Expect more siz* activity. This is all steering from the point. 2012 the poles shift. this could cause the rotation to reverse. If this happens, the earth will stop(axial rotation) for a brief pieriod, possibly days. ThePolar caps on the side of the planet facig the sun will will melt causing mass flooding, tsunamis, ect. I have strayed from the point, All life will cease to exist at one point and man will be unable to avoid it. Preperation useless. Life is to short to count the days till distruction. Live now, be happy, enjoy life.
(26.01.2005, 02:05)

Yei Ozomahtli:
Pay attention people, the galactic center is below the ecliptic of the sun. The sun will never align with the center of the galaxy because the center of the galaxy sits bvelow the ecliptic of the Sun, What Mr. Jenkins really wants to say is that the solsticial sun will transit through the center of the dark rift of the Milky Way. To explain further, the galactic alignment of the Sun with the dark rift is quite aproximate, IT IS ALREADY HAPPENING! it doesn't happen in one day it takes about twenty years for the solsticial sun to transit through the center of the dark rift. The end of the Long Count wasn't designed to be such a lousy calculation, it is a very precise calculation and the galactic alignment is only secundary, so pay attention if you want to learn something and not just parrot other people's writings. The Long Count is a calculation with a very specific planetary alignment frame, so precise that it would make your eurocentric and apocaliptic brains wobble. It actualy provides proof of something completely different that you will be able to read about pretty soon. The mysteries of the ancient mesoamerican will be revealed before the next heliacal rising of Venus, but until then, rest assured that you are ignorant of what my ancestors knew and hid from the startled european invaders. The Toltec truth will soon be known. Until then don't let your brains wobble to much you might begin to get dizzy.
(09.02.2005, 17:51)

i have heard that in the year 2012 we are to go through a change. that the earth is to go through the milkyway and we are to have 3 days of sunlight. this is to happen in the year 2012.noone knows what will happen. they don't know whats on the other side, some say there is a black hole on the other side. where will we be........
(04.03.2005, 19:59)

Greg Walter:
I can't remember where I heard it, but something is supposed to happen May 5th, 2005. Perhaps a planetary alignment, or some cataclysmic event. Has anyone else heard of an event on this date? [ from Rob Bast: It was May 5 2000, alignment happened, caused nothing ]
(06.03.2005, 19:34)

There's one serious problem here that none of you seem to be taking into account: some people claim to prove 2012 is significant, and others claim to prove it is insignificant. - - What we need is to have some sort of concensus here. I've read websites countering every point made by both sides of the issue. So which side is right? Those of you who are so sure about what's going to happen, most of you have not even an inkling of astronomical knowledge. So hush with your self-assuredness. What we need is a debating of the issues in a clear and logical way so that the various sides can come to some sort of a concensus on what the facts are. Until then, we're all just speculating.
(15.03.2005, 10:48)

Maybe there were two Mayan stone calenders. One ended with December 21, 2012 and the other one started with December 22, 2012 and kept going for another several thousand years. Probably stolen when the Mayans left town and the outlaws took over. It's probably in somebody's backyard in Mexico right now with fern pots hanging off of it. Or on it's side and used as a coffee table in some Internet cafe in Brazil. Relax, guys and gals. - - Why is everybody so freaked over this? You ain't getting off this planet alive, so why freak?
(18.03.2005, 08:20)

john donge:
the calandar ends at 2012? maybe it's maker got exhausted from writing down all the dates up until then. it's understandable.....the calandar had to end somewhere.
(18.03.2005, 21:00)

With all do respect to the Mayans, to wich I have a lot of respect for their great advances in astronamy, so many people have predicted the end of the world and came up wrong. Nobody really knows when the world is going to end but it has to end sometime. What got me so worried about this when I first heared about it was that one day I was in church, I got this weird feeling about the year 2012. But the point is that if it is going to end in 2012 then why worry. Not that I want it to end so soon but nobody can do anything about it anyway.
(01.04.2005, 21:08)

I for one have heard alot of different ideas concerning Dec. 21/2012 I find it a very interesting topic one in need of qquestioning. I find the idea of the mention of 2012 in the mayan calender as well as the toran or bible code kinda wierd I mean think about it two civilizations a world apart coincidently arrive at the same date. After reading this site and another I have heard of to much to simply turn my head I need to know. I for one am not religious and for that i am glad, I belive that the strongly religious are ignorant but then with ignorance comes bliss. anyways I suggest checking out this website it focuses not so much on biblical predictions or that of the mayan calender but enviriomental changes through out earths history, brought about by kupitor belt objects and the mysterious nemisis the suns possible brother. Anyways Check It out: - - - "He Who Forgets His Past Mistakes Is Condemed To Repeat Them."
(10.04.2005, 12:42)

i heard a prophecy from my mom that she had read somewhere but did not remember where. it was some thing about someone giving a vague outline of big events in history in a cave a long time ago and then it stopping on may 5th 2005 and i have been looking for that story for awhile, if anyone has any clue of what im talking about please tell me. i know about the may 5th 2000 prophecy but i dont think that is what my mom is talking about. if anyone can help me out thanks
(12.04.2005, 01:53)

A. hathaway:
A few visits to Guatemala and a couple of weeks of intense individual study with a Kuchikel shamen as well as a good reading of extant Anthropological and Archeological research indicate that the Maya do not experience their calendars as having beginnings and endings nowadays. There is not first day of the year etc. It is cycles. Their direct astronomical observations record these cycles within cycles of complex and recurring natural events. Effects on human life are also cyclic and recurring. End of the world? Well, the last important date which predicted the return of the Plumed Serpent coincided with the first appearance of European sailing vessels from the East. We all know what happened after that! We are living in a time of rapidly advancing scientific data collection. We are becoming aware of cosmic events never before witnessed by modern mankind. Daily predictions of catacysm are derived from only a few years observation of newly discoved phenomenon. What does it mean? Does it have to mean anything or is our natural fear of the End of the World (or maybe just change or our own individual death)lead us to draw unneccessary conclusions? How does one prepare for the End of the World? Fasting and Prayer most likely. Probably a good idea anyway for those experiencing feeling of panic and insecurity.
(04.05.2005, 18:04)

hey, have any of you ever heard of the prophecy of St. Malachy? he's the guy who prophecied about the succession of all the popes to come. well, apparently after JPII, there were gonna be 2 others. Glorie Olivea and Petrus Romanus. well if Ratzinger is 78 now, he's not gonna last too much longer. then comes Peter of Rome, and the whole shebang is done. I believe that the 2012 date has more support with this prophecy as well. it's kinda screwy, eh?
(05.05.2005, 11:45)

the big picture is that every 26,000 years the earth aligns with the center of the galaxy,after going through the 4 guadrants of time.(current guadrant Aguarius)every time the cycle gets back to aguarius(age of enlightment) - a new species of man is introduced. example lets observe what happen last 20,000 years ago. - the ice age was ending meaning most life died. - including neanderthals.all gone and extinct. - but all of a sudden cro-magnon man EVOLVES!tell - how can something evolve if its extinct?? back to the alignment.every 26,ooo years the earth centers itself directly at a 90 degree angle with the center of the galaxy.when this centering takes place the center of the galaxy gives off energy bursts. these blasts of life affectour genes.lets define cro-magnon man.its definition is (thinking man).so again - how is it when everything is extinct something evolves.the energy burst affected neanderthals - in the way that they evolved to survive,it was enivitable. just as whats to come. we are in the age of aquarius.(which is my symbol)now - lets look at the symbol for aquarius.the - water that symbol represents h20 an - our dna is triggered with in - can the age of aquarius mean the coming of new - genes(or new man)yes! this new man is said to be Homo Lumnious.
(14.05.2005, 11:37)

I thought there are really 13 zodiac constellations, not 12! OPHIUCHUS - the Serpent Holder, the 13th Zodiac. it is interesting to note that the year 2012 is the year of the dragon (serpent)...maybe there is an embedded prophetic message here somewhere?
(31.05.2005, 03:48)

13th zodiac - found a site demonstrating the shift of zodiacs and the 13th zodiac - - (since the url is too long for the comment, you have to stitch it together yourself) - - Library/zodiac_timeline.htm
(06.06.2005, 03:56)

Firstly Steven, define 'extra layer of time' surely if you are to make bold and presumptious claims like these you can explain them? How does a Black Hole, A Star, A Planet or a Moon add 'layers of time' This is not a personal attack Steven, but do you know anything about physics? It doesn't matter if you don't (Hey I don't know anything about English Literature!). The physics involved in the moon or any other celestial body to suddenly stop rotating requires a PHENOMAL amount of energy. And a Celestial Pole Shift will do nothing to the planet since that doesn't even exist and cannot happen. If you are talking about the Celestial Poles pointing at different stars, well it is changing as we speak so that by the year 14,000 AD the north pole star will not be Polaris but Vega. Any sort of magnetic polar shift is long overdue and would have no severe consequences to life on this planet. It has happened regularly in the past and will continue to do so as long as the current in the iron-nickel core of the Earth continues to flow. The only significant changes will be that all compasses point southward and increased Aura Borealis at lower latitudes for several thousand years. This will not harm our planet. If anything destroys our planet it will be us. The world will end, that is certain. How and When are yet to be decided. Anyways, this comment is far too long. I just think that the opposite viewpoints need to be looked at from time to time. BTW the site is quite interesting
(11.07.2005, 18:22)

Brandon, the end of the Ice Age did not signify a mass extinction, nor did it happen overnight, the end of the Ice Age is between 100,000 BC and 10,000 BC. This is when the Earth warmed up again. This happens at regular intervals and they are know as Inter-Glacial Periods. We are in one right now. Cro-Magnon Man was alive at the same time as Neanderthal Man - it was an evolutionary offshoot - and indeed, 'survival of the fittest' ensured that the Cro-Magnons out competed the Neanderthals. As for your 'theory' about the Earth angling at 90 degrees to the galactic centre...well that just proves that a little knowledge and no understanding is much more dangerous than no knowledge at all. Why would the centre of the galaxy give off energy at this precise point? Even if it did it would take tens of thousands of years to reach Earth - by which point the Earth would have moved on! Also Aquarius is the Water Bearer not 'barrier' and since when has water 'activated' our DNA? Your 'new man' definition also makes no sense: 'Homo Luminous' now what has light got to do with water activating our DNA? I would be most interested if you could answer my questions and actually back them up with real facts - then we may be able to get a debate going
(11.07.2005, 18:37)

i think the 13 crystal skulls will be found by 2012 and we will unlock the gates to the unknown universe. it is said that when we find and bring these skulls together our intellect will be unimaginable, and considering some of the 5 skulls already found are found close to mayan temples seems to be screaming a connection between the two. also atlantis is real i think the inhabatints of atlantis made the skulls because the skulls are 500,000 years old and the making defies crystal cutting sense there are no cuts on it. another point idd like to add is that the most significant skull is made of sylican the same material that computer chips are made of... so everything could be linked to these skulls and 2012
(16.07.2005, 00:07)

Listen muppets, Anyone who thinks the earth will stop spinning as a consequence of pole shift really has to go back to school. Pole shift is a property of magnetism. And even if the earth did stop spinning on it's axis( and pigs may fly out my rectum! ) it would still be orbiting the sun; the net energy this planet recieves would not change. I can't be bothered to walk you through it but please, try and think. - And another thing. All you mystery theorists out there spending your time on prophecy, grand alignments, conjunctions and all the rest of this recent new age shite should be made aware of a few simple facts about your ancestors. They were far more in touch with reality than any of you. To the them the marvel and the mystery was that they could observe and apply ever complicated principles and theories to the world they found themselves in. You don't have to dress it up in the supernatural all the time. In fact any of the time. Please go read a book; a few more books and then talk to people who know what they are talking about not a bunch of idiots who are more interested in the next weird thing than anything tangible and helpfull to educating the self. Anyway, your all going to die in the long run; you won't make that much difference in end. Thank the good lord.
(01.08.2005, 22:26)

I found that gamma rays effected areas of the brain differently than x-rays. Gamma rays are the result of decay. All decaying matter gives off gamma rays but at different rates depending how fast the matter is decaying. The faster it decays the more gamma rays are produced. Small amounts of gamma rays are harmless to humans or other life. Large amounts though change the genetic patterns of DNA. The same thing happens with x-rays. That is how some cancers forms in live tissue. This is why radiologists have to wear a lead apron when you have x-rays done. - - It was found that gamma ray bursts were coming from the poles of black holes. Since the black holes rotate then their poles are eventually going to pass through our solar system. When it does it appears to be a giant flash here because it is so far away (out of our Milky Way galaxy). When our black hole shines it's pole at us for a year how much gamma rays and x-rays do you think will get through out thin magnetic field? Maybe not to much, but I bet it will be enought to evolute our present form. I would say it will not happen over night but it will happen to those who are born after the event has passed one year later. I heard the gamma ray bursts were recorded as stronger than the energy it took to create the universe so why can it not create new species of life?
(09.08.2005, 19:57)

Key Tech Systems:
rek1hrwm4, everything is a frequency from matter to sound to light to gamma rays to neutrino rays. Possibly put enough energy through a magnetic field may change genitic matter as we know it. Our DNA is also matter and has a frequency possibly one way of changing frequencies - See McDougal's found mass to IQ loss at death.-
(09.08.2005, 20:12)

okay everyone, get a grip. alignments come and go and there is " no net change" life goes on babies are born and people die . but seriously has anyone compared any of this to prophecies contained in the bible? lets say that dec 21 2012 marks the end of the world in armegeddon ( valley of megido in israel) then 7 years prior to that would mark the rapture. gee that would make it dec21 2005 which is only a few months away.. but we also know that that date cannot be accurate since the bible says that no man knows the day or the hour of the end, not even the son of man , jesus
(20.08.2005, 12:36)

Before the last Pope was elected, on the news it was stated that there is only supposed to be one more Pope before the world ends. Let's hope this Pope lives for a very long time...
(11.09.2005, 05:52)

Maybe it will be explained best here... - - "Gibson's next film and the Mayan year 2012" - - - - (you have to edit the address) - - /index.php?showtopic=947
(16.09.2005, 14:19)

you people really need to lighten up. i totally agree with spikeinme. in 2012 there will be a new year, a year of change? only speculation. as in cycles, they are continuous, they keep going round. it is not called a cycle if it is stopped as some of you are saying with this mayan calander and stupid theories of polar shifts. LIKE CMON people! get a grip! people make theories that are in conjunction with an appealing date, lets take 02.02.02 that would be the 2nd of feb 02 right. nothing happened on that date or previously on the 1st of january (01.01.01). nothing happened 5000 years ago on the mayan long calender and to my knowledge nothing will happen again. just like spikeinme stated like on new years eve, you leave the old cycle and start anew one. as with black holes, again they are only theories. you lot can be so stupid in believeing this nonsense.
(22.09.2005, 10:40)

as above, such a date like 20: that would be 8pm, 20th of feburary 2000. i remember my maths teacher saying this was a very important date. nothing happened on 11: (thats 0011 ad and not 2011). people often centre theories around these dates because of their mathmatical appeal.
(22.09.2005, 10:45)

>.< that 1st date sry was meant to be - 20:
(22.09.2005, 10:46)

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[1] John Major Jenkins, Maya Cosmogenisis 2012 (1998), Bear & Co, page xlvii

[2] John Major Jenkins, Maya Cosmogenisis 2012 (1998), Bear & Co, page 30

[3] John Major Jenkins, Maya Cosmogenisis 2012 (1998), Bear & Co, page xlvi

[4] John Major Jenkins, Maya Cosmogenisis 2012 (1998), Bear & Co, page 329

[5] John Major Jenkins, Maya Cosmogenisis 2012 (1998), Bear & Co, page 330

[6] John Major Jenkins, Maya Cosmogenisis 2012 (1998), Bear & Co, page 361


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